tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post8185793313213353344..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: "The Bill Should Pass"Somebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-70079724366674635192012-04-13T15:51:54.196-05:002012-04-13T15:51:54.196-05:00I'm a public sector employee who never had a u...I'm a public sector employee who never had a union and only got collective bargaining rights, at long last, before Walker took them away. I fought for those rights for decades, and I had hoped that we could win them back by beating Walker, so I finally could vote on whether to unionize. <br /><br />But you can bet that I'm now going to look a lot more closely at the leadership of the union that we would join, and I may have to just say no. I would be furious if I had paid union dues to see union leaders use them to attack the best candidate to beat Walker, to divide Democrats, and to turn off Independents from turnout again -- as WEAC did in 2010 to defeat Barrett then and bring us Walker now.<br /><br />I would have said that a month ago, we would win the union vote -- but now I'm not at all sure, and it's because of the union leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-53259302034547695452012-04-11T04:41:20.271-05:002012-04-11T04:41:20.271-05:00William: I'm glad your brother gets "heal...William: I'm glad your brother gets "health insurance when she retires" -- but what sort of pregnancy leave is your brother offered while employed?<br /><br />One hopes the regular raises will continue despite Walker's recent repeal of enforcement for the equal-gender-pay law.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-88530550907289099832012-04-10T10:32:20.412-05:002012-04-10T10:32:20.412-05:00And yet my brother in the private sector, has bett...And yet my brother in the private sector, has better dental, better health insurance, free life insurance a retirement match, health insurance when she retires and gets regular raises even in this environment and bonuses.<br /><br />Anonymous 2:18 I want you to have it as good as I do. Scott Walker and his ilk wants to race to the bottom to maximize profits for his wealthy patrons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-29986316590611822022012-04-09T22:50:42.610-05:002012-04-09T22:50:42.610-05:00Criminently, capper! If the mayor of Milwaukee cou...Criminently, capper! If the mayor of Milwaukee couldn't override the job-slagging effect of Scott Walker (former Milwaukee County Exec, now top job-loss Guv in the 50 States so far this year!), maybe the Dane County Executive has a better record to show? [Er, whut? Oh, nevermind.]<br /><br />Dems slamming Dems is really <i>really</i> going to win the recall election for us, is it?<br /><br />Shades of '68, the circular firing squad never fails.<br /><br />Try to remember that the target is <b>RECALL WALKER</b>, wouldya?<br /><br />Shooting to wound our side's top poller in favor of your personal preference does <i>not</i> advance the overall goal.<br /><br />Dragging down Barrett's polls (with a slime ad even PolitiFact calls False) doesn't advance Falk's odds with respect to Walker, just hurts the Dem side overall. It's like shooting Barrett in the leg; Falk may now run faster than Barrett, but it doesn't actually increase her speed, and the chances for Team Dem are now worse than they had been. Not just for Barrett; for Falk, by reason of being associated with the ad via AFSCME; and for a pair who could and should have teamed together as Gov/LtGov candidates.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-28569507160059988142012-04-09T22:15:38.393-05:002012-04-09T22:15:38.393-05:00Capper: The audio notably omitted the significant ...Capper: The audio notably <i>omitted</i> the significant statement by Barrett -- <b>"I would vote no on the changes in collective bargaining."</b> -- and the video dramatized the resulting false implication that Barrett supported those changes.<br /><br />Barrett isn't the one left needing to explain things. <a href="http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/apr/06/afscme/state-employees-union-says-barrett-supported-law-g/" rel="nofollow"><b>PolitiFact</b> details the falsehood of the video posted above</a>, which leaves its author needing to explain things.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-61349864734326850922012-04-09T21:57:45.410-05:002012-04-09T21:57:45.410-05:00No health/dental/vision/pension?* Sounds like a lo...No health/dental/vision/pension?* Sounds like a lousy deal, man. The employer isn't thinking long term, treating employees like that. She should get her place unionized! (Which would benefit all her fellow workers too, as just moving to a better job elsewhere would not.)<br /><br />*"Triple dipping" -- could I settle for just double dipping like Texas Gov. Rick Perry, "retired" on a state employee's $7,698/mo annuity <i>and</i> still collecting a sitting governor's $150,000 gross salary?Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-45335572886688678192012-04-09T21:42:28.179-05:002012-04-09T21:42:28.179-05:00Falk is the only one to offer a plan on how to res...Falk is the only one to offer a plan on how to restore collective bargaining plus stood up on all the other issues on a consistent basis.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-18115798228864904002012-04-09T21:41:18.264-05:002012-04-09T21:41:18.264-05:00Actually, it's just the unions making good on ...Actually, it's just the unions making good on their promise to be truer to their missions and not just supporting anyone because they are lesser of two evils.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-86503566055087760112012-04-09T21:40:09.754-05:002012-04-09T21:40:09.754-05:00Sounds like your wife needs to unionize. BTW, my ...Sounds like your wife needs to unionize. BTW, my wife doesn't have any of these either, or a job, thanks to the lousy job Walker's done and the ineffectiveness of Barrett.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-73851944203943961652012-04-09T16:18:00.529-05:002012-04-09T16:18:00.529-05:00My wife has none of the following : dental, health...My wife has none of the following : dental, health, vision, 401 k , triple dipping opportunities but yet pays taxes... how come she can't have none of this while she funds all of yours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-48618669555921547462012-04-09T16:05:15.282-05:002012-04-09T16:05:15.282-05:00To maximize the chances of actually *winning* the ...To maximize the chances of actually *winning* the June 5 recall election against Walker, I would have thought it'd make sense to put the two top Dem pollers together on the ballot, in polling order, i.e. Barrett/Falk vs. Walker/Kleefisch.<br /><br />But this poisonously false video makes that lineup less likely.<br /><br />http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/apr/06/afscme/state-employees-union-says-barrett-supported-law-g/Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-70000832169767179342012-04-09T15:22:46.201-05:002012-04-09T15:22:46.201-05:00Not fair on a number of grounds: the above you men...Not fair on a number of grounds: the above you mention; clipping <i>out</i> Barrett's expressly saying "I would vote no on the changes in collective bargaining."; taking Barrett's remaining discussion of a bill covering only the employee health and pension contributions (to which the unions had agreed) -- of which he said such a broadly supported bill "should pass" -- and misrepresenting it as speaking in favor of the anti-collective-bargaining Act 10 actually presented and passed.<br /><br />Accordingly, <a href="http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/apr/06/afscme/state-employees-union-says-barrett-supported-law-g/" rel="nofollow"><b>PolitiFact Wisconsin</b> has ruled the above video "False".</a><br /><br />BTW *Capper*, you really should note that in an update to the main item, not leave it way down in the comments. Your readers/viewers deserve to get a major advisory like that up top, don't they?Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-83562157768560826932012-04-09T08:41:40.429-05:002012-04-09T08:41:40.429-05:00enough said
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/st...enough said<br />http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/apr/06/afscme/state-employees-union-says-barrett-supported-law-g/Anonoymoushttp://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/apr/06/afscme/state-employees-union-says-barrett-supported-law-g/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-78026510692681633502012-04-09T08:39:51.489-05:002012-04-09T08:39:51.489-05:00AFSCME endorsed Falk because they have a death wis...AFSCME endorsed Falk because they have a death wish. Why these people are focused on purity and not focused on the goal of getting rid of Walker, I can't understand. But it was predictable. <br /><br />I'd also like to point out to some of the folks above that the Unions (capital U) didn't care about Walker's bashing of and plans for public employees until they found out they weren't going to get automatic dues deduction anymore. Then you've never seen people move so fast. Until then they didn't give a crap about the average joe union member and it's pathetic. I've been a member and an officer and watching the paid professionals drop the ball (until it was THEIR ball) was disgusting and why I don't pay dues anymore. I will support my local in other ways and will still vote the right way, but will not support the over-paid union professionals. This AFSCME add is just another reason why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-31734886285621172192012-04-08T08:30:32.408-05:002012-04-08T08:30:32.408-05:00I really do not get why AFSCME endorsed Falk. AFS...I really do not get why AFSCME endorsed Falk. AFSCME likes to state how they did not get everything they wanted in Milwaukee under Barrett do to the cuts in revenue from the state under Walker. What AFSCME fails to show is that Falk quit on the people of Dane County in the calm before the storm of Walker becoming Governor. Sure Falk stood up for people on the outside, but Falk choose not to stick around to make the difficult decisions in negotiations under the cuts from Walker to Dane County that Barrett stuck around for in the City of Milwaukee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-30563684089718554582012-04-07T21:34:34.662-05:002012-04-07T21:34:34.662-05:00No, that is not a question, Anon 6:43, since it ha...No, that is not a question, Anon 6:43, since it has been answered by those of us sufficiently sentient to listen to the interview and understand the context. Y'know, the words that Barrett said. All of the words that he said.<br /><br />Believe me, the small-town, small-minded Republican legislators were taking their instructions from the Kochs and ALEC, just like Walker, not from the Democratic mayor of Milwaukee.<br /><br />And they well knew that the budget-repair bill could be passed if it only dealt with the budget, because that's not only the law but already had been discussed publicly by Dale Schultz.<br /><br />So you are telling us again that Barrett, a longtime member of Congress, understands how to get bills passed. That recommends him for governor over your candidate never in Congress nor even the state legislature -- and who quit halfway through the last term of the last political post that your candidate held. Care to explain the context for that? Really want to go there? Or can you stop this and focus on a clean campaign, one not to beat another Dem to bits but to BEAT WALKER?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-8956991006596320162012-04-07T20:43:23.087-05:002012-04-07T20:43:23.087-05:00Again, the important question here is why would Ba...Again, the important question here is why would Barrett go on Charlie Sykes and instruct the Republicans on how to pass Act 10. Listen to the entire interview on the Sykes archives. The fact of the matter is that Barrett was sending a message to the Republicans. He showed them how to pass the bill and they took is advice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-78374113024876755262012-04-07T17:08:57.038-05:002012-04-07T17:08:57.038-05:00I don't have time to read the whole thread her...I don't have time to read the whole thread here, so I don't know whether anyone else brought it up, but the video in question (or one much like it) was circulated by AFSCME and it has already been outed as a disingenuous smear job - splicing things Barrett said out of context. I'm not (yet) a Barrett supporter, but one of the reasons I have helped with the recall effort is to restore honesty and civility to our government. This video doesn't reflect either of those values, in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-44581860306914495272012-04-07T12:39:22.671-05:002012-04-07T12:39:22.671-05:00Gee, I got to vote on it. Maybe they, and you, sh...Gee, I got to vote on it. Maybe they, and you, shouldn't believe the anti-union propaganda and actually get involved. As for the dues, well, they've gotten parts of Act 10 nullified, so I think that's a good investment.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-83335759051008999852012-04-07T08:49:43.060-05:002012-04-07T08:49:43.060-05:00Frankly I know a lot of non union public sector em...Frankly I know a lot of non union public sector employees that were considering joining a union in order to stand up to Walker taking away collective bargaining and are now happy they did not join a union because of the way the union leadership choose to endorse Falk without a membership vote and now the misleading attacks on Barrett. Union dues are a lot of money especially post Act 10 and the dues seem to look a lot less worth it to people when the voices of the members are shut out by the union leadership and members are being misled by the union leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-73696377920880966262012-04-07T06:57:42.982-05:002012-04-07T06:57:42.982-05:00How can you say Barrett is just another corporate ...How can you say Barrett is just another corporate Democrat when Falk has the support from every democratic leaning interest group that has endorsed so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-35042923810494333232012-04-07T06:48:38.120-05:002012-04-07T06:48:38.120-05:00The negative campaign by Afscme and Naral against ...The negative campaign by Afscme and Naral against Barrett and Vinehout is despicable in the way the attacks are misleading. Kathleen Falk needs denounce these attacks because these attacks are going to turn people off from voting in the June election against Walker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-61491003939187759542012-04-06T23:28:23.858-05:002012-04-06T23:28:23.858-05:00Morninmist is absolutely correct! I heard the enti...Morninmist is absolutely correct! I heard the entire conversation also and that is exactly how it went. Look AFSCME, I am a union member and I believe in Unions but when you put out half-truths...it ticks me off! Tell the whole truth! Stop attacking Barrett or anyone who declared they would run against Walker. Keep the focus on Walker and his corruption, because that is what this is all about! He is being recalled for many reasons, one of them is for taking away public workers rights to collectively bargain, but there are many more also. Don't make this a smear campaign against Democrats!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-27723056562266243582012-04-04T22:27:53.651-05:002012-04-04T22:27:53.651-05:00Why is it that Tom Barrett would go on Charlie Syk...Why is it that Tom Barrett would go on Charlie Sykes to provide instruction to Republicans on a strategy to pass Act 10 (by removing the "fiscal" items from the bill)? Rumor is that Barrett did this at the behest of several Democratic Senators - Senators that wanted to end their out of state experience. It's no surprise that those same Senators are now lining up to endorse Barrett. <br /><br />It's time to stop supporting corporate Democrats like Tom Barrett and his "sell out" friends. We can do better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-66761774363620095972012-04-04T11:50:25.329-05:002012-04-04T11:50:25.329-05:00Capper, did you know that your site, this post (an...Capper, did you know that your site, this post (and not the youtube link), now is directly linked from the state AFSCME site to imply an endorsement by this blog of Falk and attack ads?<br /><br />I don't recall that you have yet to endorse either -- that is, either Falk or attack ads, especially by Dems attacking Dems. Have you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com