tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post5859267825154329949..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: 2nd Amendment Somebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-52218590230447219142015-03-04T14:39:39.741-06:002015-03-04T14:39:39.741-06:00Is that how the founding fathers did it? with pea...Is that how the founding fathers did it? with peaceful protests?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-38126853656012899702015-02-22T17:01:20.265-06:002015-02-22T17:01:20.265-06:00What makes you think that the military would side ...What makes you think that the military would side with the gun grabbers?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08641489189310085870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-81271736517016182882013-06-04T16:05:27.577-05:002013-06-04T16:05:27.577-05:00Who exactly do you think makes up the Military? Wh...Who exactly do you think makes up the Military? What do you think the percentage is in the military and law enforcement who supports the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms? All the American people need to do is resist, the Military gives an oath to protect the constitution and and the 2nd amendment is included, it supercedes any individual or political office. Enjoy self congratulating yourselves you little neo-brown shirts. You sound exactly like Nazis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-92141489392044374502013-01-14T21:04:53.283-06:002013-01-14T21:04:53.283-06:00Um, @PP, when you have to troll that hard for a go...Um, @PP, when you have to troll that hard for a gotcha moment, you've already lost the argument. Just sayin'.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-89350427022560780262013-01-14T16:49:42.816-06:002013-01-14T16:49:42.816-06:00So PP what limits do you think should be made on g...So PP what limits do you think should be made on guns? Jeff Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118335402641807712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-76104387550501717902013-01-14T15:08:04.957-06:002013-01-14T15:08:04.957-06:00krshorewood,
It ain't mispelled, it a name. ...krshorewood, <br /><br />It ain't mispelled, it a name. :D<br /><br />(and the fact that you're making those kind of jabs speaks volumes...)<br /><br />Anywhos, Jeff (on January 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM) did agree that the gov't could become a enemy of the people, so I don't understand why you think nobody else has said that.<br /><br /><br />And one more thing: Ya'll need to stop making assumptions about me and who I vote for/support. It is obvious you are just using me as a whipping boy for all the stuff said by anyone/everyone that has ever disagreed with you on this issue. Even tho it may make ya feel good to let-it-all-out, your false assumptions are polluting the entire convo.<br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-27137795779563215502013-01-14T05:27:20.623-06:002013-01-14T05:27:20.623-06:00And by the way, it seems one of the domestic threa...And by the way, it seems one of the domestic threats are the gun toting knuckledraggers in the militias. Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-39907457663397745732013-01-14T05:25:15.732-06:002013-01-14T05:25:15.732-06:00Is that what you do penguin, make stuff up, and mi...Is that what you do penguin, make stuff up, and misspell penguin?<br /><br />Nobody has said what you said. If the government becomes an enemy of the people, it's because guys like you vote these people in. <br /><br />A lot of these numbskulls who claim Hitler took there guns away would have quite likely voted for him if they were alive in 1933, since Hitler appealed to fear and racism.Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-79148458064596875012013-01-13T15:35:58.831-06:002013-01-13T15:35:58.831-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-84741483800415944652013-01-13T15:25:58.987-06:002013-01-13T15:25:58.987-06:00"Apparently reading comprehension isn't y..."Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong point."<br /><br />*sigh*<br /><br />But apparently being rude & hostile is one of your strong points. <br /><br />Seriously dude, check yourself. I've tried to keep it respectful, I've tried to be polite. Can't you please try and do the same? Your chest-thumping and constant taunts are really distracting to our convo.<br /><br /><br />"How does that in any way relate to the question of foreign or domestic enemies?"<br /><br />Because standing army is the only thing you mentioned, and the standing army is only supposed to be used against foreign enemies. <br /><br />"You have some fantastical notion that the government will become this tyrannical, authoritarian institution, and only citizens bearing small arms can resist and overthrow it."<br /><br />Where the hell did this come from?!<br /><br />Seriously, THAT is what you get from reading my words in this thread? <br /><br />No joke? You're not just trolling, that really is what you think I've been saying? Really?!<br /><br />Wow. I truly am flabbergasted. I don't know what to say in respond to such an outlandish claim 'cept that you are utterly and totally wrong, and I have no idea what I've written that would lead you to beleive such a thing. <br /><br />And actually, if this is what you call "intellectually honest discourse", then no...I don't want any part of it. <br /><br /><br />I was just curious to know what right(s) you personally beleive the Second Amendment protects, and if you favor keeping it or repealing it. Why are you unable to answer those simple questions? <br /><br />If ya don't know, just say so...no shame in that. <br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-48839986216884600062013-01-13T12:30:06.411-06:002013-01-13T12:30:06.411-06:00"Also, just to clear it up: You beleive that ..."Also, just to clear it up: You beleive that the Second Amendment was included to only protect citizens from foreign enemies and not domestic ones...correct?"<br /><br />Please point to anything I've said that would indicate that that assumption is true."<br /><br />Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong point. You assumed I thought the 2nd amendment was intended to address only foreign enemies. I replied asking you to show where I said anything espousing that viewpoint. You then post this, "When you said "the 2nd amendment is not needed for the purpose for which it was written. We have a standing army and do not need to rely on citizen militias who provide and keep their own arms." (January 12, 2013 12:01 PM) I took that to mean that you beleive the Second Amendment is no longer needed 'cause we have a standing army."<br /><br />How does that in any way relate to the question of foreign or domestic enemies? If you have a point, make it. You repeatedly ask questions about some irrelevant minutiae, then ignore or misconstrue the answer. We get it. You have some fantastical notion that the government will become this tyrannical, authoritarian institution, and only citizens bearing small arms can resist and overthrow it. Any effort to point out inherent flaws in the logic of that belief will be met with attempts to obfuscate the point through increasingly irrelevant questions, of which you ignore the answers anyway. It's become tiresome. If you want to have intellectually honest discourse, then great, count me in. If you want to try to play a game where instead of discussing the merits of your beliefs, you attempt to make increasingly puerile semantic arguments then you're on your own. Enjoy.Shane_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943711279049756819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-13808072105747403722013-01-12T19:27:54.172-06:002013-01-12T19:27:54.172-06:00"Please point to anything I've said that ..."Please point to anything I've said that would indicate that that assumption is true"<br /><br />Srry, didn't mean to ignore this.<br /><br />When you said "the 2nd amendment is not needed for the purpose for which it was written. We have a standing army and do not need to rely on citizen militias who provide and keep their own arms." (January 12, 2013 12:01 PM) I took that to mean that you beleive the Second Amendment is no longer needed 'cause we have a standing army. <br /><br />*shrug*<br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-58316255152818511332013-01-12T19:17:08.902-06:002013-01-12T19:17:08.902-06:00Shane, I ain't asking if the Second Amendment ...Shane, I ain't asking if the Second Amendment could be repealed this month, rather I'm asking if you would favor repealing it. <br /><br />(What was that snark you made earlier about nuances being tricky?)<br /><br />Seriously, the reason I ask is 'cause you keep saying it ain't needed anymore. If it ain't needed, then why keep it around? Especially when it is used as a shield against regulations/laws you wish to see enacted.<br /><br />And, if I am reading you wrong, then I'd like to know why you think it should remain in the Bill of Rights. And sorry, but saying it is just tooooooooooo much hassle to repeal it isn't really a valid reason. Please tell me what right(s) you think it actually protects.<br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-65312168171212989832013-01-12T19:01:53.390-06:002013-01-12T19:01:53.390-06:00Well, now that you mention it...labor guilds &...Well, now that you mention it...labor guilds & craft unions played a huge role in our fight for independence. Didn't you ever read Johnny Tremain as a kid? <br /><br />But that's not what I was trying to point out, and perhaps I misunderstood your message.<br /><br />Are you saying that sometimes it is ok to shoot back when you're shot upon, and other times you should just lay down and die instead? <br /><br /><br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-59998140272522067652013-01-12T17:33:35.912-06:002013-01-12T17:33:35.912-06:00"Shane, all due respect but if everyone alway..."Shane, all due respect but if everyone always thought as you did then we'd be singing God Save the Queen before cricket matches rather than the Star Spangled Banner before baseball."<br /><br />Wait, so you think American independence from England had something to do with violent action from organized labor? After all, I was referring to labor history, not colonial independence. I know, nuance can be tricky. Shane_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943711279049756819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-31971753300405732472013-01-12T16:00:34.692-06:002013-01-12T16:00:34.692-06:00For the most part, no one is calling for the repea...For the most part, no one is calling for the repeal of the 2nd. We're just asking that we get real about it.<br /><br />After all, the right wing has such a great track record when it comes to recognizing facts...WMDs, no man-made climate change, tax cuts increase the economy, etc.<br /><br />I think what the right is really afraid of is that once people recognize that the gunner view of the 2nd is bogus, they'll start questioning a lot of other things.Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-38465472396139942292013-01-12T15:57:21.016-06:002013-01-12T15:57:21.016-06:00Don't know why you think that penguin. Today&#...Don't know why you think that penguin. Today's T-Party is voting in corporate aristocrats. If these goons were around in those days, we would still be singing God Save the Queen. But at least we'd have better health care.Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-90089398529965569682013-01-12T15:55:32.344-06:002013-01-12T15:55:32.344-06:00It will only be if we don't stay involved in i...It will only be if we don't stay involved in it, or stop voting against our self interest. Once we stop doing the former and keep doing the latter, no amount of guns will save our asses.Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-61843294710028773272013-01-12T15:54:02.567-06:002013-01-12T15:54:02.567-06:00Supreme Court's interpretation is fine, since ...Supreme Court's interpretation is fine, since they uphold assault weapon bans.<br /><br />My stance. It was put in place so that in place of a military and police force which they did not have at that time, the US and its people would have a way of defending themselves. It was designed to protect American society.<br /><br />Now, we are seeing that the bull shit interpretations of the 2nd amendment are doing less to protect us by allowing dangerous weapons to flood out into the public for the benefit of the weapons makers and retails.<br /><br />No manner of right wing "philosophy" will cleanup the mess this has created and the cost to our country. <br /><br />And it could be argued that the cost far outweighs the benefit, except the NRA has bullied us from accumulating this data, thanks in part to Harry Reid.<br /><br />Since Sandy Hook, old Harry is rethinking that. You see, he evolves.Keith Schmitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03802172470532380488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-18321692015039701442013-01-12T14:53:37.005-06:002013-01-12T14:53:37.005-06:00"If an Amendment is truly no longer needed at..."If an Amendment is truly no longer needed at all, then why should it remain in the Constitution?"<br /><br />We have a political environment where we need a super majority to pass even the most rudimentary legislation. How would we pass a constitutional amendment let alone have 2/3 of states ratify it? Whether or not it should remain is irrelevant as it realistically cannot be changed. <br /><br />"Also, just to clear it up: You beleive that the Second Amendment was included to only protect citizens from foreign enemies and not domestic ones...correct?"<br /><br />Please point to anything I've said that would indicate that that assumption is true. The second amendment made no distinction between foreign or domestic threats. Furthermore, it is also irrelevant as our current standing army and law enforcement have foreign and domestic threats covered within their purview. Citizen militias are unnecessary for defense against either foreign or domestic threats as we currently have the means to defend against either without them. <br /><br />If your intent is to try to say that we need armed citizens to resist a tyrannical government backed by the military, that was not the intent of the second amendment. Furthermore, to think that if in the event that our government becomes tyrannical, and is backed by our military, that a citizenry equipped with small arms will put up much resistance at all is naive at best. You can try to make a claim that an armed citizenry acts as a deterrent to authoritarian behavior on the part of government, but that would be a rather spurious claim. There seems to be no indication that government is dissuaded from eliminating rights because of the proliferation of firearms amongst our populace. <br /><br /> Shane_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943711279049756819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-46636187074965681352013-01-12T12:50:36.352-06:002013-01-12T12:50:36.352-06:00I still don't understand why you think they ar...I still don't understand why you think they are bastardizing it. <br /><br />After all, you agree with 'em that it was included in order to protect against domestic enemies, and you also agree that it is possible for our own gov't to become an enemy of the people. But then you go on and insist that those other folks are interpreting it differently than you are....and that makes no sense to me at all. <br /><br />And I TOTALLY don't understand why you think our Revolutionary War was just a series of peaceful protests...that is what is really weirding me out the most. <br /><br /><br />Like I asked before...perhaps I could better understand your point-of-view if you would explain who and what you think the Second Amendment actually applies to. Can you please expound on that? Thanks.<br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-17936074819255873882013-01-12T12:28:04.776-06:002013-01-12T12:28:04.776-06:00A repeal of the Second Amendment wouldn't auto...A repeal of the Second Amendment wouldn't automatically mean all guns/firearms are banned. It would just mean that citizens no longer have a protected right to bear arms. Congress & States would still have to pass new laws if they wish for a full ban.<br /><br />If an Amendment is truly no longer needed at all, then why should it remain in the Constitution?<br /><br />Also, just to clear it up: You beleive that the Second Amendment was included to only protect citizens from foreign enemies and not domestic ones...correct?<br /><br /><br /><br />purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-72778629614880354222013-01-12T12:01:50.895-06:002013-01-12T12:01:50.895-06:00"If that is true, then why aren't ya'..."If that is true, then why aren't ya'll simply calling to repeal it?"<br /><br />Regardless of any potential outcome of completely outlawing private firearms ownership, repeal of the 2nd amendment is totally impractical. With more than 300 million non-military weapons already in the U.S., how could a total gun ban be enforced? How does the government go about confiscating guns already in private possession? They could enforce a gun ban on an ad hoc basis, but that seems impractical at best. They could send troops or law enforcement to actively confiscate weapons but we can imagine how that would end. <br /><br />No, the 2nd amendment is not needed for the purpose for which it was written. We have a standing army and do not need to rely on citizen militias who provide and keep their own arms. We can argue that firearms are needed for other purposes, (hunting, self defense, etc.), but in terms of the intent of the 2nd amendment, no it is no longer needed.Shane_Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14943711279049756819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-2937431233904051192013-01-12T11:12:55.205-06:002013-01-12T11:12:55.205-06:00I have never said it needs to be repealed just tha...I have never said it needs to be repealed just that it needs to be understood. We need our friends on the right to stop hiding behind it and bastardizong it.jeff simpsonhttp://www.cognidissidence.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-48807554500512871052013-01-12T10:58:55.970-06:002013-01-12T10:58:55.970-06:00Well, golly Gareth!! Since you put it that way it ...Well, golly Gareth!! Since you put it that way it is all now clear to me!! Thank YOU so much for your insightful response. <br /><br />*rolls eyes*<br /><br />Seriously, I'd simply like to know exactly what right(s) you think the Second Amendment protects. If you have an opinion on that manner then please share it. <br /><br /> purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.com