tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post3599837655285225188..comments2023-11-03T03:52:37.873-05:00Comments on Cognitive Dissidence: Walkergate: Of Confidence and ConfidantsSomebody DO Something!http://www.blogger.com/profile/08717747685928127724noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-25879872623005464122012-11-27T22:49:49.764-06:002012-11-27T22:49:49.764-06:00It is probable that Langraf and the prosecution fe...It is probable that Langraf and the prosecution felt they did not have to have Rindfleish's cooperation. Had it been obvious that she was no longer "on board" with parties the prosecution was after, then she would have been asked some interesting questions.<br /><br /><br /><br /> That would have at least partially revealed both the prosecution theories of the crimes and what evidence they had. Which apparently did not happen.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-10459945985826872952012-11-27T20:10:03.619-06:002012-11-27T20:10:03.619-06:00Yeah. The "Talking Tour" is nothing mor...Yeah. The "Talking Tour" is nothing more than a fundraising blitz through the state. ACE Marine is Marinette Marine, with CEO Chuck Goddard, a campaign donor. I'll be Walker hits up all these business owners on his little jaunt around the State.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-7705018734579713482012-11-27T19:57:40.620-06:002012-11-27T19:57:40.620-06:00It's too late for Walker and Russell. Russell...It's too late for Walker and Russell. Russell goes down any which way.<br /><br />Obstruction would have happened during the investigation where they are compelled to answer. She must've walked that tightrope.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-82896709907250185602012-11-27T19:55:42.010-06:002012-11-27T19:55:42.010-06:00If Walker is crapping in his pants at the thought ...If Walker is crapping in his pants at the thought of Tim Russell giving up information in exchange for a plea deal, could a fearful Walker administration start funneling $$$$$ to Russell behind the scenes to keep him quiet. And, if they do, can the DA subpoena Russell bank records to find that out.<br />Also, is seems as if, with Rindfleisch et. al. refusing to FULLY cooperate, the DA may be saving up "obstruction of justice" charges that could still be used against ANY Walker aide or associate AND Walker. Thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-51320006524830291292012-11-27T19:26:16.773-06:002012-11-27T19:26:16.773-06:00LOL! No. But remember there is much more to Walker...LOL! No. But remember there is much more to Walkergate than the embezzlement and the campaigning on county time.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-83475937161575946082012-11-27T19:24:44.431-06:002012-11-27T19:24:44.431-06:00You think the evidence Russell's attorney was ...You think the evidence Russell's attorney was looking for was the type that has Walker saying, "Yeah, go hook up with Cain, use the veteran's money..."?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-3084574510266688282012-11-27T19:09:46.304-06:002012-11-27T19:09:46.304-06:00Walker can hope all he wants, but it ain't ove...Walker can hope all he wants, but it ain't over until Chisholm says it's over. Walker is probably trying to allay the fears of his followers as he hits them up for campaign donations. <br /><br />And as I've said, it doesn't really matter what happens with Rindfleisch or Russell. They're just appertifs for what is to come.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-44910159841055225712012-11-27T18:09:38.463-06:002012-11-27T18:09:38.463-06:00Anonymous 2:04 AM says: "Wait. What? I don...Anonymous 2:04 AM says: "Wait. What? I don't get it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-78003412870253333962012-11-27T17:06:51.529-06:002012-11-27T17:06:51.529-06:00Also something interesting to note, Walker said th...Also something interesting to note, Walker said this just after news of the plea deal was broke, "...It's [the JD] gone on for two years. Hopefully, after this week, it will be over..."<br /><br /><br />What happens at the end of this week? Well, we know it won't be Kavanaugh's sentencing, we know it won't be Wink's sentencing, and we know it won't be Pierick's trial. So what is Walker talking about? One can only infer that it must be Russell's plea deal. <br /><br />Why would Walker guess that Russell's plea deal will end the John Doe? Either he believes that Russell is the lynchpin/end-game or he HOPES Russell is the lynchpin/end-game. <br /><br />If I'm Russell, it is now clear that, if Walker hasn't already bought my silence, he's planning on using me as the scapegoat for all thing John Doe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-3232335789261016352012-11-27T16:49:45.475-06:002012-11-27T16:49:45.475-06:00Gilkes can order anybody to do anything, it's ...Gilkes can order anybody to do anything, it's only illegal if it actually gets done. Granted, he was her boss (on the campaign side), but the order came through when she was on the county side. If the DA can't prove actual destruction of property, they're DIW. The better question is, as the DA said, why hasn't Brett Davis been charged?<br /><br />I do share your fear, though. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-64816181845877575882012-11-27T16:45:20.016-06:002012-11-27T16:45:20.016-06:00Have to admit I have an uneasy feeling; didn't...Have to admit I have an uneasy feeling; didn't Reindfleisch cop a plea right before her trial was to start?..and all she got was 6 months and gave nobody up...this feels the same....if it does end here, how is Gilkes not charged for ordering Reindfleisch to destroy documents??...hope I am wrong..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-22759767141186408112012-11-27T16:25:28.794-06:002012-11-27T16:25:28.794-06:00Capper et al,
Something occurred to me while I w...Capper et al, <br /><br />Something occurred to me while I was mulling over what Russell's attorney and the DA said a couple of weeks ago. Please follow along:<br /><br />"Defense lawyer Parker Mathers said he was still holding out hope he might discover evidence that would clear Russell in a batch of emails he hasn't fully reviewed...if [he] finds some strong evidence from the emails to show Russell didn't commit the offenses, he'd reconsider [the plea deal]..."<br /><br />There are two types of emails that would clear Russell, yet there seems to only be one kind that would encourage a plea deal. <br /><br />Type 1) Email showing that Russell was indeed using the funds as a salary for his work and that the majority of the funds were being used as intended. Russell could even have the candidates he stole from come in and say, "Yes, the money wasn't stolen, we were paying him...". (We'll call this The Kavanaugh defense)<br /><br />Type 2) Email showing that Russell was acting as an agent for somebody else who was overseeing him. (The Nuremberg defense)<br /><br />So, if you can show that you're innocent due to no law being broken (Type 1), why cop a plea deal? If it is cut and dry (with email documentation), either you'll be found innocent or the judge will dismiss the charges. <br /><br />However, if it is Type 2, you are admitting a law was broken, but you were just following direction and didn't know better. That is the type of evidence that would encourage one to cop a plea deal AND prove that you're "innocent". <br /><br />I can't help but think (hope?) that they "found" the emails showing that Russell was just hanging with Herman Cain at the direction of somebody else and that the money wasn't stolen, but rather he was using it as he was told.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-66991334426081251752012-11-27T13:05:53.603-06:002012-11-27T13:05:53.603-06:00Look, the reason for the media disinterest is obvi...Look, the reason for the media disinterest is obvious.<br /><br />Blago: a Democrat governor selling the muslim's old senate seat to the highest bidder. Illinois is corrupt as shit and BILL AYRES!!!<br /><br />Walker: He insists he's not a target, so where's the story?<br /><br />Above is snark- but pretty close to the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-91657051555924716672012-11-27T11:29:07.042-06:002012-11-27T11:29:07.042-06:00They aren't covering it, that is for sure. I a...They aren't covering it, that is for sure. I assumed it was because it was a "John Doe", thus a secret investigation. The only information that we know about comes from these court records that are open records, email open records requests, but people have to know what to ask for, and from the court proceedings that are open.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-26340942152694431482012-11-27T11:26:26.096-06:002012-11-27T11:26:26.096-06:00Maybe we will get some answers on Thursday. Maybe ...Maybe we will get some answers on Thursday. Maybe something with cutting edge technology and not just powerpoint. Why did the media seem so surprised that Landgraff could use powerpoint? Was that unusual in court or something? Powerpoint has been around for awhile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-71417945928901137542012-11-27T08:56:20.481-06:002012-11-27T08:56:20.481-06:00I agree with WhatIsCommonSense. Where is the media...I agree with WhatIsCommonSense. Where is the media- local AND national? It's like everything that has happened and is happening in Wisconsin since the 2010 elections is "hands off". Utterly disgusting. Our entire state is being run like the House of Representatives in D.C.- a bunch of radical, right-wing evangelical nut bags, $upported by their puppet ma$ter$, have a strangle hold on democracy. And speaking of stranglers... the name David Prosser comes to mind. Hmmmm wasn't he involved in the caucus scandal along with Kathy Nickolaus? Walker is such a liar. Hope he is sweating bullets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-11639263234442454322012-11-27T07:54:50.493-06:002012-11-27T07:54:50.493-06:00Again, why no national media on this one? They we...Again, why no national media on this one? They were all over the Blago deal in Illinois. This would be a slam dunk for all the lazy ass journalists who like their news written for them. I guess since there is overwhelming evidence that proves walker knew exactly what was going on, they don't want to do a story on it. And yet, the right wing crazies are constantly telling us about the liberal media.WhatIsCommonSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08048050176971497842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-39798835769765909992012-11-27T07:33:15.887-06:002012-11-27T07:33:15.887-06:00Lets get real about Kevin Binversie, he is paid to...Lets get real about Kevin Binversie, he is paid to advance republican propaganda, facts, logic or real life be dammed. <br /><br />So a 15 year old boy died, its unfortunate but it can not be allowed to affect republican hold on this state so the right wing echo chamber will do everything they can to make sure it doesnt! Jeff Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118335402641807712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-10267817887999162812012-11-27T06:45:26.182-06:002012-11-27T06:45:26.182-06:00Sykes/Grebe/BradleyFDN/WIGOP has zero in rebuttal....Sykes/Grebe/BradleyFDN/WIGOP has zero in rebuttal. In response to the announcement of Russell's plea deal, Charlie decides it's time to attack Lori Compass.<br />John Caspernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-58449861750679929172012-11-27T06:12:58.465-06:002012-11-27T06:12:58.465-06:001:27AM
Where's the alternate analysis?
It...1:27AM<br /><br />Where's the alternate analysis?<br /><br />It's an assertion, unsupported by any facts or argument. <br /><br />If Lakeshore Laments wants to help Gov. Walker, I suggest s/he will stop using "concerete," as a modifier.<br /><br />".....Walker-haters hoping that they could finally pin something concrete on the governor....."<br /><br />This John Doe (as opposed to the others we know exist, but don't have specific information about their investigations) is focused among other things on 15-year-old Jared Kellner's death by "concrete." Immediately following his death, emails from Walker's campaign manager, Keith Gilkes, to Kelly Rindfleisch provide very specific instructions that order her to destroy government property. That's a crime. The appearance from the O'Donnell Parking Garage is that as county executive, Scott Walker "paved," his way to Madison by canceling structural engineering inspections of County buildings, which would have caught this before it happened. <br /><br />4:47AM, Bullseye.<br /><br />As with Rindfleisch, the "plea," makes it much, much tougher to appeal their conviction. Wisconsin's prisons are filled with non-violent offenders who took plea deal on drug busts. The last thing the wingnuts on the state Supreme Court want to do is create a precedent which helps all those folks to appeal their plea deals. Non-wingnut candidates could use such a decision against them. John Caspernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-70916195069756790822012-11-27T06:06:30.068-06:002012-11-27T06:06:30.068-06:004:47 Bullseye. Thank you.
4:47 Bullseye. Thank you. <br /><br />John Caspernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-68944976988905107002012-11-27T04:47:07.961-06:002012-11-27T04:47:07.961-06:00If Landgraf "had to make a deal" it is s...If Landgraf "had to make a deal" it is self apparent that Russell would not make a deal. If this is the kind of thinking that leads one to support Walker we finally have the reason his cabinet members are by and large idiots. Deficient reasoning is part of the Republican genome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-79820898690821462242012-11-27T02:04:05.062-06:002012-11-27T02:04:05.062-06:00lol. Because with the evidence Landgraf has on Ru...lol. Because with the evidence Landgraf has on Russell, Landgraf HAS to make a deal instead of take it to trial.<br /><br />Even if one assumes all the evidence in in the Russell and Pierick criminal informations, that's probably enough to convict Russell. Which part of not his money is hard to explain?<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-76913060698232273032012-11-27T01:29:50.263-06:002012-11-27T01:29:50.263-06:00I saw that. It cracked me up. It shows their despe...I saw that. It cracked me up. It shows their desperation to avoid reality as long as possible.capperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751967312821403092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5888314760091661875.post-67924336613987485182012-11-27T01:27:28.290-06:002012-11-27T01:27:28.290-06:00For a look at an alternate analysis, head over to ...For a look at an alternate analysis, head over to l%keshore l%ments. Capper is even namechecked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com