Thursday, October 3, 2013

It's Not Like The Government Shut Down Hurts Anyone

I am thoroughly enjoying watching the right wing nut jobs get so upset about the Affordable Care Act that their heads are exploding.  But cartoonist Stuart Carlson reminds us that it is not all fun and games for some people.  For those people, the government shut down, spawning from the Republicans' group tantrum, has some very serious consequences:


Keep telling me that the Teapublicans are the Party of Life.  I keep forgetting.

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  1. Republicans are willing to pass funding things like WIC. Reid and Obama are publicly proclaiming they won't budge an inch. Obama ordered the WWII vets be blocked from their memorial, not Republicans.

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    1. The Republicans are trying to hold the nation hostage because they don't like the fact that poor people will now have access to health care too. Furthermore, it is the Republicans that are constantly cutting programs like WIC. You really are cracking me up with your desperate lies.

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    2. Yes Roland. Is that what Fox News told you?

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    3. Roland,

      Remember, it was the Republicans that shut down government.

      You are right, Obama and Reid should not budge an inch.

      Obama care is a non issue. It has been made law now work with it.

      Something republicans find hard to do.

      PLAY NICE !!!!!!

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    4. "Republicans are willing to pass funding things like WIC."

      Wow really? How entirely noble of them, and gracious too! I mean, it's not as if that's their fucking job or anything. You're so right, this is how the legislature should function from now on. Anytime a minority of sociopathic, special interest puppets doesn't like the outcome of the legislative process laid out in the constitution, they should hold the nation's budgetary process hostage until they get their way. Spot on call! This is totally how we should do things from now on. Think of how smoothly our government will function. I think Democrats should refuse any further funding until there's a national gun registry, or Citizen's United is overturned, or maybe until the Hyde Amendment is repealed. No? Well, then you're holding up funding the government, you're refusing to negotiate or compromise, and it's your fault. Yes, that's the argument you're making, and that's how stupid you sound. No, scratch that, it's even worse. You're cheerleading a government shutdown over people receiving healthcare. Why doesn't Boehner let the clean spending bill from the Senate come to the floor for a vote? If it isn't just a wingnut minority, and a cowardly House leader afraid of losing his tenuous hold on his position of power it shouldn't be a problem right?

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-03/frustrated-republicans-pressure-boehner-to-end-shutdown.html

      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/02/govt-shutdown-no-progress-on-ending-stalemate/

      "Obama ordered the WWII vets be blocked from their memorial, not Republicans."

      Yes, that's exactly what happened. No hyperbole there at all. Obama got on his Allah phone and called up his private jihad army and ordered them to block WWII vets from their monument. In no way do Republicans bear any of the burden of responsibility for the effects of a government shutdown. After all, they're "willing to pass funding things like WIC". My god you're brilliant. You should do a TED Talk. As an aside, why do Republicans always feign outrage over things like parks, monument, and tour closings? You guys realize those are run by the government right? Isn't your whole mantra government=bad? You clap and cheer and carry on like the home team just scored the winning touchdown every time a social safety net gets cut, but close a park and you act like someone renamed Reagan Int'l Airport to Trotsky Airport. Unless that park was sold to a land developer first. Then, freedom and stuff.

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    5. Shane_J

      Now that is what I call a tongue lashing. No wait... that actually was an ass whipping. Well done too.

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    6. The WWII vets are smart enough to see a publicity stunt when they see one (i.e., the antics of Reince Priebus, Michele Bachmann, etc. at the WWII Veterans Memorial). I wonder how those vets feel knowing they served and saved country (and world), now only to see our country destroyed from within by those crackpots.

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    7. The republikans (aka conservanazi teabaggin' kkkluckers) forget that many of them were happy to proclaim PUBLICLY that they were going to shut down the government to get their way with a law THEY don't like, ObamaCare. Now, they are try to blame Obama and Reid for the republikans holding the government of the US hostage and want to rule from crisis to crisis. All because they HATE the man in the White House because of his skin color. The conservanuts got what they wanted and are trying to look like heroes when they are actually ZEROES. ;^) Way to go, Priebus.

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  2. Our local support communities like Meals On Wheels and other programs are just scrambling right now to care for the most vunerable in our community. This is hitting our town HARD.

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  3. Shane said: " Anytime a minority of sociopathic, special interest puppets doesn't like the outcome of the legislative process laid out in the constitution, they should hold the nation's budgetary process hostage until they get their way."

    You just perfectly described the Wisconsin State Democrat reaction to Act 10. You remember. The flight of such noble folks as Christopher Larson and his band of merry fleebaggers hijacking the political process by running to Illinois. They weren't exactly following the "it's the law of the land, get over it" mantra you all are currently singing.

    Please tell me how that was acceptable behavior and not political hostage taking or theatrics. I'm sure you'll try. Nobody does hypocrisy as well as you guys.

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    1. "You just perfectly described the Wisconsin State Democrat reaction to Act 10."

      "They weren't exactly following the "it's the law of the land, get over it" mantra you all are currently singing."

      Because it wasn't the law of the land dipshit. Act 10 was passed June 29th, 2011. The 14 state Democratic senators left on Feb 17th, prior to the bill being passed into law. This was an attempt to delay the bill, as it was being rushed through the state legislature. Funny though that you mention Act 10 as it's another example of Republicans completely abandoning process in an attempt to foist their twisted ideology on their constituency. Yeah, they were really up front and transparent with that whole process weren't they? Seriously, that's your response to this? That's the event you're going to point to in an effort to get everyone to see just how noble Republicans are? Healthcare reform was a central campaign issue in the '08 election which Obama won both the electoral and popular vote. It was worked on in congress for over a year. It was voted on, passed, and signed into law. It was determined constitutional by an ultra conservative SCOTUS. It was a central issue in the 2012 election, which Obama won both the electoral and popular vote. Act 10 was never even mentioned in the campaign. It was railroaded through the legislative process, rammed through in the dead of night in violation of the open meetings law. It was upheld by an ultra conservative State Supreme Court that had at least one member campaign on the promise that he would rubber stamp Walker's legislation. Any other false dichotomies you'd like to offer up in defense of your bullshit?

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  4. Yes, because Dems shut down the state budget after taking control of the State Senate in Summer 2012, and tied every bill they considered to reinstalling collective bargaining rights.

    Oh wait, they never did anything like that. And of course, Act 10 was never intended to be debated in public, which is why your boy Scotty called it "Dropping the Bomb". Compare to Obamacare, which was debated in Congress for more than 10 months.

    Gonna keep trying to change the subject from the TOTAL FAIL that is today's GOP, Rollie? C'mon, It's kinda fun laughing at trailer trash like you as you try to spin your way out of your own BS.

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    1. Jakester said: "Yes, because Dems shut down the state budget after taking control of the State Senate in Summer 2012, and tied every bill they considered to reinstalling collective bargaining rights. Oh wait, they never did anything like that."

      You make it sound as though they DECIDED not to take such action. They didn't have the power to choose. Given everything we've seen from fleebagging to repeated court challenges to the FAILED recall effort to goofy rotunda antics, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that had the Dems been able to shut down the State budget over Act 10, they would have.

      So, it's clear that from Obama on down to every parrot on this blog, "it's the law, get over it" is little more than a situational ethic.

      What place at the table did Republicans have when it came to "debating" Obamacare? Oh Great One gleefully told them they had to "sit in the back seat" and that mentality was clearly manifested in the legislative process.

      I find it amusing you guys are so beside yourselves that Republicans in the House are exercising what power they have. It wouldn't have come to this if ACA had been a bipartisan effort. Instead, your side had the power and opportunity to unilaterally pass a leviathan effecting every American in the country without consulting 50% of us.

      How all of this will end up, I don't know. As of now, the only folks offering to fund the necessities through bipartisan cooperation are Republicans. It is Obama and Reid claiming they will settle for nothing less than total capitulation.

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    2. When the Dems left the state, no one was harmed. In fact, it delayed the harm caused by Act 10 and the significant reversal to the recovery the state was enjoying before then.

      Contrarily, people are suffering from the shut down to the workers not being paid to the people relying on services that are no longer provided.

      And this massive tantrum by the Teahadists is because - gasp - poor people might get health care coverage and people might save money but insurance CEO's won't make such a large profit? GASP!

      As for your mewling about when did the Republicans have a say - the law was debated for two years before being passed. Blame your leaders if they didn't lead. I also recall that several states with Republican governors, including your precious Scott Walker, took it all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. You had your say, and so did the rest of the people.

      And it should be the Republicans funding everything since they were the ones that shut everything down. It just might be the first time we saw Republicans take some sort of responsibility for their actions. That alone is historical.

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    3. We're "beside ourselves" on GOP antics, Rollie? Maybe in laughter at how you're acting like a bunch of whiny babies, and your lame attempts at projection now that you ReThugs don't get 98% of what you ask for.

      The Dems in the State Senate had every bit the right to send out symbolic "repeal Act 10" and "repeal Walker's budget" bills. The Senate is half the Legislature, just like the House of Representatives is. So why didn't they?

      The difference of course is that they chose not to waste people's time by making a pathetic pose. I understand you wingnut welfare types don't get that "governing" thing, but some of us still believe in it.

      Tell us, what's it like being a prideless, dishonest troll?

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    4. P.S. How hilarious is it that you whine like a bitch about GOPs not voting for Obamacare, but neglecting to mention that Act 10 was passed by Republicans WITHOUT ONE SENATE DEMOCRAT EVEN IN THE STATE. And how your boy Scotty told "David Koch" he took pride in not negotiating.

      We're now playing hardball. And it's no surprise you don't have the guts or the integrity to handle it.

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    5. "It wouldn't have come to this if ACA had been a bipartisan effort."

      "What place at the table did Republicans have when it came to "debating" Obamacare?"

      "Instead, your side had the power and opportunity to unilaterally pass a leviathan effecting every American in the country without consulting 50% of us."

      First, what side? America? Because I'm an American. It's telling that you think anyone that isn't a member of your silly little political party isn't on your side. That's the problem with the country. People like you that think it's about sides. That's why this is happening. It's more important for your political party to score some points than it is to see the nation as a whole prosper. How sad is it that you put party affiliation over the welfare of your community. That's why I'm rude to you, because you deserve no less. As an aside, only 22% of Americans self identify as Republican. Not 50%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

      As to your little screed about the ACA, guess what, it was a bipartisan effort. http://www.finance.senate.gov/issue/?id=32be19bd-491e-4192-812f-f65215c1ba65
      On April 21, 2009 Max Baucus and Chuck Grassley (you know, a Republican), hold the first of three finance committee roundtable discussions. Feel free to watch them:
      http://www.finance.senate.gov/hearings/hearing/?id=d85e499a-01ed-23b6-7c6e-a200e6bee498

      http://www.finance.senate.gov/hearings/hearing/?id=d8c677d4-fa54-11f2-1c31-64fbd9076f32

      http://www.finance.senate.gov/hearings/hearing/?id=d8970d09-97f1-4e32-1a15-bd5c8852e6ea

      Also, notice that starting June 17th, 2009 there were a series of 31 bipartisan meetings to discuss the development of a health care reform bill. This group consisting of Baucus, Grassley, Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), met for more than 60 hours and the bipartisan principles they discussed became the foundation of the health care reform law. Hell even the public option was scrapped early on fearing it was too left leaning and would face too much opposition. Don't forget that health care mandates were a conservative invention in the first place. It wasn't until House Republicans decided to make political hay out of the entire process that it became problematic. Who can forget Obama's invite? http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/top-house-republicans-throw-co.html So yeah, Republicans were involved. They just realized that allowing the president an opportunity to pass health care reform, even a conservative version of one, wouldn't be politically advantageous for them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nrD1Rl3C4c

      "As of now, the only folks offering to fund the necessities through bipartisan cooperation are Republicans."

      Wow, I can only conclude at this point that you have some form of sever cognitive disability. That is seriously the only plausible explanation for that statement. Boehner won't even call a clean spending bill to a vote. Your story sounds way better though. Keep peddling it.

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  5. It wouldn't have come to this if ACA had been a bipartisan effort. ... please just stop the Bullshit Roland. fantasies belong on wiggys blog not ours.

    There could NOT be a more bipartisan bill. The idea was spawned at the Heritage Foundation, prior to Obama's election you couldnt find a republican who didnt support the individual mandate and was 100% based on romneycare. I bet if Mitt romney ever runs for President he would be your guy.

    Not to mention that it is a watered down version because he kept including republicans on the writing process.

    Not to mention that while he was being inaugerated, Paul ryan led an insurrection that vowed to not support anythin the president did....which he should be prosecuted for.

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  6. It won't be long before more people feel the sharp pain of Republican political brinksmanship. Most of the social welfare network in this state is run at the county level and paid for in large part with state and federal dollars. Nursing homes, public health, child protection, services for the developmentally disabled, child support, juvenile justice, mental health services, services to the elderly, Medicaid and the economic support programs, birth to three, WIC ... and the list goes on. These are not the folks that Ron Johnson or Paul Ryan rubs elbows with at the County Club. Many are a part time paycheck away from homelessness. Obama Care makes a hospital visit a reality for many of these Wisconsinites. It is a better, and more cost effective way to treat health care needs than a visit to the emergency room. Let's strip health care benefits and Insurance from Congress for a year. It would put an end to shuts downs and political grandstanding on health care if Paul and Ron had to drag kids into the emergency room for basic health care.

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